Pandemic Denial and Political Conspiracy Mongering

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The thoughts in the following post have been percolating in my head for several weeks.

We’ve lived through eleven months of the COVID-19 pandemic in this country and it’s been a very long haul. It’s estimated that 27 million Americans (8%) have caught the virus and 463 thousand have died to date.

Looking back, there were serious shortcomings in the effort to “fight” the pandemic. There wasn’t much leadership at the national level, as President Trump generally downplayed the virus in an effort to minimize disruptions to commerce. The lack of health safety protocols at White House gatherings and at Trump’s political rallies were noticeable and influenced many. Individual states were left to mandate their own public health policies and they varied widely, often according to political affiliation.

Clergy were understandably frustrated by their services being limited or locked down. Some even claimed that COVID-19 was a big hoax, an alleged diabolical scheme meant primarily to restrict religious freedom. Pandemic-denial and refusal to follow health safety protocols became a badge of “true faith” among the credulous. Some sheepishly went along with the denial nonsense due to social pressure despite their own, personal misgivings.

Added to this very challenging pandemic situation were the BLM protests (which included looting, destruction, and violence) and the political turmoil of the 2020 presidential election and the aftermath, with many claiming voter fraud and that the election was stolen from Trump. The anger and frustration culminated in the violent attack upon the U.S. Capitol Building by overzealous Trump supporters (not by bused-in, disguised, Antifa counter-MAGA-ers as some have suggested) on January 6th.

The internet is rife with “Christian” conspiracy-mongering provocateurs* who stoke hatred, fear, rebellion, and violence. I know of a few “Christian” bloggers here at WordPress who specialize in these types of posts. They’ll publish some Bible passages on Monday to cloak themselves in spiritual “legitimacy,” but on Wednesday they’ll publish ultra-nationalistic, conspiracy-touting, hateful, us-against-them, pandemic-denying posts. Their undiscerning readers readily eat up this garbage with a hearty “Amen!” and ask for second helpings.

The thing is, when I read the Acts of the Apostles and the epistles in the New Testament, I don’t read anything promoting hatred, fear, rebellion, or violence. There is nothing resembling conspiracy-mongering or deeply-rooted civic/national chauvinism/exceptionalism (i.e., “I’m from Ephesus and you’re not!”). The early Christians lived in circumstances within the Roman Empire MUCH MORE challenging than our own, initially facing hostility from unbelieving Jews and subsequently from the Roman authorities. But Paul and the other apostles taught the early church to focus on the spiritual rather than on the temporal circumstances.

Shame upon all of those so-called “Christ-followers” who stoke hatred, paranoia, sectarian pride, and violence, which are antithetical to the Gospel. They should all spend a week at their local hospital’s pulmonary ICU before writing their next pandemic-denying, anti-vaccine posts. Some rail that the C-19 vaccine/s is the “mark of the beast” of Revelation 13 while other provocateurs hedge their bets and label it the “precursor” to the mark of the beast. So I suppose the polio vaccine was a precursor to the precursor of the mark of the beast? This is all flat-earth-style quackery and brings ridicule upon the Gospel (see photo above). While Christians shouldn’t bury their heads in the sand, neither should we allow ourselves to be carried away by conspiracy-mongering provocateurs who are “overcome by evil” and delight in stoking fear, hatred, rebellion, and violence.

“14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse them. 15 Rejoice with those who rejoice, weep with those who weep. 16 Live in harmony with one another. Do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly. Never be wise in your own sight. 17 Repay no one evil for evil, but give thought to do what is honorable in the sight of all. 18 If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all. 19 Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” 20 To the contrary, “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head.” 21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.” – Romans 12:14-21

Postscript: In contrast to today’s pandemic-denying, anti-vaxxers, the Bible has a lot to say about containing contagious diseases (e.g., Lev. 13-14). I imagine there were deniers back in those days as well. Be considerate of your neighbor and get vaccinated. If it seems like I’m disproportionately harsh with politically-conservative, Christian nationalists, the old adage, “You’re always hardest on the ones you love” comes to mind. I don’t share many values with pro-abortion, pro-LGBT political progressives, although they need the Gospel, too!

*RE: conspiracy-mongering provocateurs
Some people relish playing the role of the gnostic, “hidden knowledge,” conspiracy-trafficking insider, “educating” the rest of us poor, gullible lemmings as to what’s allegedly “really going on” behind the scenes.

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  1. Not sure what to make of all this, Tom. There are many Christians, such as myself, who are somewhere in the middle, though meandering more toward your side, who don’t like the ultra-patriotism fear tactics nor the conspiracy theories, but don’t disregard EVERYTHING that questions the pandemic numbers as well as the safety of vaccinations.

    There are many in the medical profession who have questioned the media’s status quo o on these, and many of us just want to make sure.

    The big problem I have with both your and Bruce’s writings in this area is that you are both every bit as vitriolic in your speech against those on the “conspiracy” side as they are in their assertions. Neither of you seem to leave room for the possibility that perhaps 10 to 15 percent of what is being said could have some truth behind it.

    You both have a sense of righteous indignation about you, and much of the time you come across to me as being just as naive as you accuse the other side as being. In condemning the “other side” as strongly as you do, I think you are as guilty as they are.

    That’s what I think, at least.

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    2. Thanks, David.

      I fully realize that the vast majority of Christians living in America are politically and nationalistically-minded and would take umbrage to this post.

      RE: vitrolic

      Hmm. I’ve seen A LOT of vitriol from the conspiracy-minded, but there’s been little from me up to this point. One of the problems as I see it is pastors hesitate to confront this conspiratorial rabbit hole frenzy out of fear of offending anyone and some even add fuel to the fire. It’s certain that Satan has his schemes, but we’re not to get wrapped around the axle regarding temporal institutions. I don’t see that mindset at all in the New Testament although I see many warnings against it. Christians become neutralized and even become an offense to the Gospel by becoming consumed with all of these temporally-focused conspiracy theories.

      RE: much of the time you come across to me as being just as naive

      Thanks. Actually, I think those who buy into and fuel the conspiracy frenzy are being naive by focusing on the temporal. The early church had much more reason to be conspiracy-minded but we don’t see any of that mindset in the Acts or the Epistles.

      When viewing the photo of the protesting pandemic deniers and anti-vaxxers that accompanies my post, my thought is there is no “middle ground” with these people. There is either a C-19 pandemic or there isn’t. Just “letting it go” and allowing these misguided people to “speak” for evangelical Christianity would be wrong of me.

      We don’t agree, but I appreciate your taking the time to respond. Christians differ on many secondary and tertiary beliefs, but are united in the Gospel of grace!

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    3. Hi David, thank you for sharing your candid thoughts. When I do research on a given subject I endeavour to look at both sides of the arguments being made. Sometimes there are actually more than two arguments or perspectives to a given subject as I am sure you are aware. And when I run into opposing “facts” that are presented, usually by competent authorities in their given field, it usually takes a considerable amount of time and effort to find the general consensus held by the majority of the competent authorities in that given field. What follows out of that investigation is that I myself come to what I call an informed opinion.

      So, as an example, when it comes to the anti-vaccine movement, I try to ascertain what the majority of the leading authorities have to say on that particular subject. In order to know the areas of controversy, I must be aware of what they are and the reasoning behind them. Same thing when it comes to determining the validity of the pandemic numbers. And as per your follow-up statement about which “facts” one puts their confidence in, having done my homework and looked at what was stated by whom and what was taken from that by some, and possibly misconstrued, the intent and accuracy of the statement usually gets clarified. The validity of only 6% of actual Covid19 cases being directly attributed to being the sole cause of death, being a case in point. The inference being that there were no secondary known medical causes which contributed to the death of the individual. To falsely assume that the 6% represents the totality of deaths (directly or indirectly) that can be associated with Covid19 is not only misleading but not factual as per the consensus of the vast majority of authoritative medical authorities that I have researched. Can you find medical authorities that argue that point, absolutely, but they are usually a fringe element and not in step with the general consensus of the vast majority of the authoritative professionals in that given field. So you are correct in that one does have to place their confidence in “facts” and these “facts” can indeed differ, but one can generally ascertain the general consensus without too much difficulty. And there are indeed, elements of truth sometimes intermingled with most accusations that are being made. The video Plandemic made a lot of accusations, the vast majority of which were proven by the vast majority of authoritative professionals in their chosen field, to be untrue. Truths are often used as a lead-in but what is attached to that truth as an assumption, is not necessarily a truth. Each assumption does need to be validated and most people can’t be bothered doing that.

      You indicate that I am naive and that is indeed possible, as there are a number of areas where I lack the necessary understanding of the particular subject, to make an informed decision, but generally my comprehension is pretty good and the process that I use is sound and I do my homework if I am looking into a specific area of accusation. If I do lack the necessary background in a specific subject I tend to rely on those authoritative professions who do have the necessary background and training.

      You also indicate that you think I have a sense of righteous indignation. Although I have published a number of articles on the necessity of fact checking and the dangers associated with becoming consumed with conspiracies, I have, as of a few months ago, deliberately chosen not to publish articles of a political nature. I have commented infrequently on posts that others have made, like I did with Tom’s article here. Evidently my doing so presents a “big problem” to you. I’m hoping that was a bad choice of words on your part David.

      Being middle of the road has it’s benefits but being decisive isn’t one of them. Either there is a pandemic or there isn’t. Either President Trump downplayed the reality of the pandemic or he didn’t. I’m pretty sure those two questions are right up there with being pregnant or not, because what happens next depends on the correct answer. And if your response to those two questions differ from mine, where my response is yes and yes, what follows next should not come as a surprise to either one of us.

      Like you said, “that’s what I think, at least”.

      Blessings David.

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      1. All sounded good, Bruce, except for, “Either President Trump downplayed the reality of the pandemic or he didn’t. I’m pretty sure those two questions are right up there with being pregnant or not.” That’s hyperbole, and of an obnoxious nature.

        Again, there’s that black-and-white nature of yours. I agree that at first President Trump did indeed downplay the pandemic, sadly, but then he got on board and went to work. He did not stay where he was. And because of that, it is not not like being pregnant or not. Very obnoxious choice of words.

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  2. Well Tom, I’m thinking you’re a brave man. I maintain what I call “Fact Sheets” on a number of different topics and I add links with amplifying information to each of the various Fact Sheets as I run across them. The Pandemic Denial is one of the Fact Sheets as are a number of the prevailing conspiracy theories that are currently in play. Politifact put out a report on the “Lie of the Year” for 2020 which I thought was well documented. The link is here:https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/dec/16/lie-year-coronavirus-downplay-and-denial/ And another well documented misleading case in point is the Plandemic video that was viewed by over 8 million people. I have a long list of “Fact Sheets” and literally hundreds and hundreds of well documented links. I agree with your overview but the task of changing anyone’s mind with alternate opposing “facts” is daunting due to the magnitude of misinformation and disinformation that is out there. My hats off to you for at least taking a stab at it! Blessings.

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    1. Thanks, Bruce. I fully realized I was “swimming upstream” with this post. I’m guessing the majority of Christians living in America are caught up in this pandemic/political conspiracy rabbit hole to some extent. The pandemic-deniers and political conspiracy propagators are actually doing the opposite of what they “intend” by bringing ridicule and mockery upon the Gospel.

      Thanks for the article! It’s an excellent summary of my own observations re: “American Christendom” over the past eleven months.

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    2. But then again, Bruce, there are other “fact sheets.” Which ones are true and which aren’t? People are going to believe the “facts” which match their leanings? In that way, you and Tom and are precisely like “the other side.”

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      1. Tom, Bruce and David:

        I have really been praying if I should respond to this and if so, how? Tom, which vaccine should a person get? There are differing reports across the globe as to which vaccines are effective and reports differ according to population age as well.

        Now, my best friend is the most devoted Christian/Jesus follower I have ever met. She is also an ICU registered nurse at one of the biggest hospitals in Fort Worth, Texas. Kelly has worked only and I mean ONLY with COVID patients since April. The toll this has taken on her is immense. With that said, my best friend has decided NOT to get the vaccine at this time. Some of her other coworkers (both doctors and nurses) have elected to NOT take the vaccines at this point because they want more information about the vaccine. Not getting vaccinated at this point does NOT make someone a conspiracy theorist!!!!

        It is arrogant and wrong to tell people to take the vaccine and deep down Tom, I believe you know that. Wanting more information on something that is new is wise. Yes, we are to trust God in all that we do; however, God gives everyone a conscious to some degree or another. Comparing COVID to polio is apples to oranges in my humble opinion. What is happening with COVID is completely different than anything we have ever seen.

        To that point, yes, Tom and Bruce we do differ politically and I agree with everything David (and Yari) said.

        I do NOT know who Job is in conversations like these, maybe it’s the Holy Spirit. Where we all state our different sides trying to defend God, telling people how to live and to see things like we do and when they don’t they’re against God.

        I can’t wait for God to hold us accountable for this! There is NOTHING loving about this. This is my righteous indignation. This is harming the cause of Christ. Tom, you wrote this knowing there would be people who disagree you and in my opinion you are not being fair to those who disagree with you. We bear some responsibility for how other people receive/perceive. Our words and tone matter to God.

        Satan is loving conversations like these! Satan knows this post will divide more than it will edify, affirm and change hearts/minds. Whether y’all want this to be divisive or not, that is what is going to happen. You will feel affirmed by those who agree and those who disagree are misguided. What is merciful and peacemaking about this? How are we being agents of reconciliation? We as believers know the Truth about Jesus but yet are infighting over the info (or lack there of) that is being presented about COVID.

        I think John MacArthur is wrong in his approach. Do I think the church should be open yes. Tom, you brought up Leviticus and health care in the Greco-Roman world, I assure you, the healthy in society did not quarantine. Do I think the pandemic is real, you better believe it. My best friend is a COVID icu rn as I stated above. She has shared stories with me so I am not a pandemic denier. I do think there are birth pain, end time events brewing in all this.

        So I am left with one question, where do I go from here? In my flesh I would rather unfollow Tom and Bruce and continue following David because I align more politically with him. But that is wrong, so what do I do? Do I not read posts that discuss politics? Perhaps my common ground is not to read said posts because we will differ and I don’t want to partake in conversations like these where I feel like I am a lesser person for not agreeing. I also don’t like feeling like I am not focused on the Kingdom of God because I question facts or do not want to get a vaccine. Again, where is common ground in this? It truly is difficult to agree to disagree when emotions are involved. I struggle with because I value y’all and this truly is a horrible, horrible witness Christ’s Name. I don’t think we should shy away from this topic, but presenting both sides would be helpful.

        Truly, I can’t wait for God to hold us accountable for this. Tom, Bruce, David if I have disrespected you in ANY manner please know that was not my intent. I have learned so much from the three of you.

        I know that I have not changed anyone’s belief or opinions, that wasn’t my intent. But I do hope and pray that God will help us to use this as a way to think about how we can discuss this civilly as brothers and sisters in Christ.

        Thank you for your time,
        Mandy

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      2. Hi Mandy. Thanks for your comments. I have kept my blogging mouth pretty much shut for these past 11 months while witnessing the ongoing propagation of COVID-19-denying and political conspiracy theories from “Christian” quarters. The recent protests by anti-vaxxer “Christians” at vaccination sites prompted me to write this post. These people do not represent my beliefs. As I mentioned in the post and in the comments, I believe these people actually bring ridicule upon Christianity and the Gospel. They are harming the cause of Christ as are also those who tolerate them with silence. I would be disloyal to my own beliefs and helping to endanger people if I kept quiet for the sake of “peace.” It’s apples and oranges, but there’s also great pressure on Christians to keep quiet about false gospels for the sake of “peace” and false unity. I won’t abide false gospels either.

        I won’t repeat my arguments in the post but Christians who abide these conspiracy propagators and support them by following, likes, and Amens help spread the fear, anger, hatred, violence, and worldly-thinking they sow and, yes, will surely be held accountable. As I mentioned to Yari, people whole lean towards these conspiratorial views are not so apt to accuse the propagators of being uncivil despite the overpowering vitriol.

        As I’ve mentioned to you before, I understand that most Christians living in America don’t share my views when it comes to Christian nationalism. Some who hold that view are veering toward (or are already deep in) conspiratorial extremism. I certainly don’t expect for you, David, or others to agree with me. And I’m fine with that. It’s not an earth-shattering event for me that many disagree with my views.I actually thought David and I had a good exchange in the comments section. We did not change each other’s views, but so be it.

        I understand there are concerns about the vaccine, but it’s misleading to present anecdotal information as the bottom line. I have trusted in my doctors and the medical community for a large number of medical decisions in 64 years. What would happen if the vast majority of Americans decided not to get the vaccine? The pandemic would linger on, and on, and on. It doesn’t make sense to me.

        Some things are worth standing up for and not tolerating in silence, and seeing many of my brothers and sisters getting drawn into these conspiracy theories over the past eleven months is one of them. That was written in love for Christ and His church.

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      5. The question still applies, I suppose to Mandy as well. In other words, to whom will you be accountable (reason already stated), to whom, and how does she know? For you, though, I know you’re saying the conspiracy folks will be accountable, but if you’re talking about them being accountable to God, we really don’t know that, do we? At least, I don’t.

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      8. I would say 2 Corinthians 5:10 applies. Mandy would say it applies to me for “sowing discord” and I would answer it applies to those who support/enable propagators of conspiracy-laden hatred and violence that displaces the Gospel.

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      9. I disagree with that verse choice. Doesn’t apply. Also, if what these people are propagating are hatred and violence, they’re not Christians. I’m talking about people such as Mandy, Yari, and me who are simply questioning, can see where some elements make sense, and are not dismissing everything outright — as you and Bruce are doing with us lightweights who are not as diligent in our research as you much-wiser investigators.

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      10. I think it applies very well, not that I expected that you would agree. I actually didn’t have you, Mandy, and Yari in mind when I wrote the post but was thinking in terms of the people in the photo and the extremist conspiracy propagators and pandemic-deniers here at WordPress and elsewhere.

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      11. Sounds good. I had a good time today. I’ll try to write something humorous tomorrow, making light of today’s exchange. It will be a good challenge. Humor is always a gamble! Have a good night, Tom.

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      13. I’m curious where I actually said (you did specifically mention my name) I dismissed everything outright that you believe about Covid19 or getting a vaccine. Is that an assumption on your part David or did you just jump to that conclusion because I went to the trouble of explaining the process that I use and you took from that, that I was inferring you were a lightweight and I was a much-wiser investigator (your words, not mine). That is a personal accusation and assumption on your part David, on what basis do you justify that? If you disagree with my process just say so but there is no need for you to slander me personally. Show me once where I did that to you.

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      14. As you said, just an assumption, and also an overall impression. Just the way you come across regarding this issue. If I’m wrong, though, that’s good to know.

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      16. Great post, Mandy. No, you have not disrespected me at all. I think regarding whether you should continue reading such posts by the three of us depends on your stomach for it. I think the three of us are willing to delve in, and though I disagree with certain views, I find them useful to talk about.

        Also, much of what we write has to do with bents and leanings, so I’m all for Bruce and Tom posting what they do. They’re both good posting contrary opinions. Also, and perhaps this is wrong, but I’ve kind of liked “mixing things up” a bit.

        But I think your ultimate viewpoint is the most important (though you didn’t precisely state it this way): Are such discussions doing any good for the cause of Christ?

        This is what I’ll take away most from your excellent and well thought-out post, and something I must serious consider.

        Thank you for stating all of this, Mandy. I know it wasn’t easy for you, but I’m glad you did, took it well, and will definitely pray about it.

        God’s peace on you, young lady!

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      17. Thank you, David! I read this post after I posted my “Peace: Maker or Breaker?” I absolutely have been saying to myself how “Are such discussions doing any good for the cause of Christ?” I will pray about this! Thank you for encouraging me to share my heart with y’all! Love and blessings!!!

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      20. Hi Mandy, I appreciate your honesty and I know there is no disrespect intended, nor do I have any disrespect for you or your thoughts. Coming to grips with this reality is like trying to do a repair on a moving car and letting someone else into the vehicle can and often does change the entire process that we are hammering out, especially if it is the steering wheel we are trying to fix. I agree with you that we do dishonour Christ when we demean one another, either intentionally or not. If you disassociate yourself from everyone who has some disagreements with you, it’s going to get real lonely. If we can learn to agree to disagree, yet maintain fellowship as long as no major doctrine is violated, I think that is a step in the right direction. If someone says something you disagree with, at least hear them out and then let them know that you disagree and be prepared to give reasons why, if asked. When anyone stoops to slandering another, that is not discussion, it is ridicule and that needs to be taken out of the conversation. And when that happens, when we ridicule one another, the whole course of the conversation begins to change and all of us know why, yet most of us keep doing it, to one degree or another. Being perfect is not easy, in fact, it’s pretty well impossible while we are in these bodies. What we project to others is what they see so there is a real skill set in learning not only what to say but how to say it. I don’t know about you but I’m not there yet. Love in Christ – Bruce

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  3. Well said Tom. Unfortunately these ridiculous conspiracy theories have spread to my own country from USA. This “conspiracy virus” will take a long time to die out – could be several generations. Also – I am tired of hearing about the elections and the president of another country – we have enough to deal with in our own. Jesus said: “My Kingdom is not of this world.” As Christians we should seek the Lord’s will in every aspect of our lives – and that includes caring about others by complying with recommendations to stop the spread of this virus in all forms – something which has tragically taken so many lives all over the world.

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    1. Thank you, Elizabeth! I have benefited from several of your posts about the pandemic. Yes, many Christians are aware of the Biblical mandates to be ambassadors and emissaries for the Lord and His Kingdom rather deeply-rooted and temporally-minded nationalistic patriots, but that mindset is so deeply ingrained here that it’s accepted without question. Many are now consumed by conspiracy theories revolving around the political-temporal.

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  4. WWII ended in 1945, yet most of the books I read contain information not released until the 1970’s, including information about espionage and where some of the Nazis fled, so I’m understanding of those who claim we are not given all the facts up front about various political happenings, aka SOME of the people dismissed as conspiracy theorists.

    I also find some of the statements here as hyperbole. It wasn’t because of “conspiracies” that people wanted to attend church. You could gather a group and burn down the church and that was allowed and accepted, but you couldn’t attend it? People just wanted to attend church WITH safety protocols. Just because the media highlighted the dummies it doesn’t mean they represented all churches.

    My church started gathering (eventually) out in a baseball field, and we were all cool with that. It really wasn’t a big deal to us, and we WANTED to take safety precautions.

    Lastly… you’re talking about one specific blogger, are you not? 😒

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    1. RE: Nazis and conspiracy theories

      Glad you brought up history because the church in America, although somewhat pro-nationalistic, didn’t become enmeshed in politics until the dawning of Falwellism in the late-1970s. Political institutions, the schemes of men, and conspiracy theories come and go but the Gospel remains. Let’s not get enmeshed in a plethora of temporally-focused theories.

      RE: Media highlighted the “dummies.”

      Actually, one of the pandemic-deniers you refer to as a dummy is John MacArthur who is extremely influential in this country. It’s interesting that those who read and enjoy the conspiracy hyperbole don’t view it as hyperbole at all.

      RE: one specific blogger

      Actually, I have seen conspiracy mania from several blog sources.

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      1. I only brought up history to highlight that, like in the past, we may not have all the information available, and stating so does not make one a “conspiracy theorist.” It mostly referred to voter fraud, NOT the Gospel.

        If John MacArthur is a man, and I assume he is, then he’s probably going to say something dumb every once in a while. Influential does not equal holy.

        And if you can explain this: “It’s interesting that those who read and enjoy the conspiracy hyperbole don’t view it as hyperbole at all.” That would be great.

        What is it you think I’m reading and “enjoying”?

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      2. Yari, I see we’re going down a “point, counter-point” rabbit hole here that isn’t going to satisfy either one of us. I get that you disagree with my post. Thanks for weighing in.

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      3. Yeah, you’re right. No problem. Kudos for leaving the opposing comments up, though. Some people just delete them. Alright, catch you later.

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      4. Thanks, Yari! We are so blessed to know Jesus Christ as Savior by faith alone. May all of us believers focus on Jesus Christ and the Gospel. I am far from perfect in doing that.

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    1. Thanks! I think I was a bit misunderstood but that can happen online. I’ll most likely read the author’s reply (seems rude not to) then go about my day. Feeling like I’m arguing online gives me the heebie jeebies 😅

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      2. Hey, Tom, I’m putting this in Yari’s reply so she can see it. But after reading your replies to her, I’m sorry, but you’re completely coming across as smug. No, you’re language is certainly not vitriolic, but you’re attitude is. To you, anyone who questions how honest the pandemic numbers are, or that there could be problems with the vaccinations at this point are morons, buffoons, ignoramuses, and backwoods, inbred, toothless idiots.

        This would also include the belief that these issues were definitely politicized and weaponized. I believe politics, to one degree or another, did play into things. I believe the pandemic is terribly and fatally real, but that the numbers are exaggerated. And I believe politics played a role. Do I believe in these 100 percent, no; 15 percent, yes.

        I’m not sure what you believe about those such as myself,and of course, those much more extreme, but at least according to your writing, you come across as believing there is not an iota of fact or credence behind those who logically, and with reason, question the above. It really does come across as righteous indignation.

        Yari state her points far more diplomatically, respectfully, and logically than you did. Your post came across more as a rant. It looks like I’m heading there myself!

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      3. So I take it we’re continuing this? I admit I don’t have a lot have a lot of patience with those who make it their “ministry” to propagate conspiracy mania. I’m not the one calling anyone a “dummy,” but I guess that’s being diplomatic? I think the people represented by the individual holding the “Save Your Soul, Turn Back Now” sign in front of the vaccination line are severely misguided and are being misled by crusaders sitting at home with their laptops who have zero medical background. I don’t pretend to have all of the facts, but I believe the medical community re: this pandemic much more than some guy sitting home with his laptop and an IV drip connected to conspiracy websites.
        It seems those who support the conspiracy angle can rant in spades for 11 months and garner a boatload of “likes,” yet I write one post and I am full of righteous indignation?
        So, I believe the pandemic is very real and not a conspiracy while you believe the numbers are being exploited for political purposes and there are some conspiratorial elements involved in all of this. OK. We disagree.

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      4. Your concluding sentence is more on line, especially when you wrote, “some conspiratorial elements.” That was my main point. I would also add, “the numbers are being exploited SOMEWHAT.” To some of us — me, Mandy, and Yari — there are SOME elements of these things, and we’re doing our best to hash it all out. We’re not dismissing it outright.

        Regarding, the “So I take it we’re continuing this…” This is what happens when things are written as a rant, the same happens with me. If written with logic and grace, such emotions aren’t elicited. But when ranted (and again I am guilty of it myself), these are the kind of responses that come back.

        I think that’s it for now!!

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      5. Thanks, David. I don’t pretend to be an authority, but it’s sad to see some Christians (not you) become absolutely consumed by conspiracies.

        RE: rant

        Maybe I was a little impatient with your rant because I was already done with my rant. 😊

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  6. The Bible Verse Timothy 4:3 comes to mind when it comes to Pastors touting conspiracy theory rants about the pandemic and the recent election. For the time will come when people will not tolerate sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, will multiply teachers for themselves because they have an itch to hear what they want to hear.

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  7. I am an employee at my church and it saddens me to see fellow co-workers at my church watching crazy conspiracy pastors during their break and believing in Qanon conspiracies. Also my mother is a nurse and has been having to care for covid patients. I believe she is now having PTSD from seeing so much death

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  8. Well, whatever our points of view on this matter, there is something serious which really disturbs me… I don’t know about other parts of the world but I know a family friend, a junior doctor, who regularly falls out of a hospital after doing a 24 hour shift – which no human being should ever have to do. And they have seen things which no human being should ever have to see. The reality is that nurses and doctors here have been interviewed, many crying at what they have been through. They are at breaking point psychologically and physically. Some have said that they will leave their profession, never to return. Imagine exiting the hospital after your shift, only to be confronted by banner waving, slogan shouting individuals who’ve had a full nights sleep. I think the question begs to be asked by anyone who professes to be a Christian in these days… “How can I help the situation Lord? What can I do?” Above all – we need to pray.

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    1. Thanks, Elizabeth. I have seen interviews of several nurses who reported that their previously-incredulous patients were shocked beyond measure that the virus was real after all. Sad. Yes, let’s pray, for the salvation of people of all political persuasions and that the pandemic will cease some day.

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  9. So much said. It is a hard time to be nuanced as I think the truth is much more nuanced than what many are saying today.
    I believe there is a Pandemic but also the survival rate is higher than most pandemic (praise be to God); yet this virus seems more contagious than the typical cold so I don’t see it being no big deal either. Especially for our area where hospitals are overrunned and our members who work the medical profession are telling me there’s nothing like this. Yet at the same time I think there’s also legitimate concerns for government not wasting a crisis to have more power where in my area is getting ridiculous with the Left driven politicians and the District Attorney allowing double standards to carry on such as the Hollywood industry can work even unmasked and Casinos and strip clubs open but churches and small businesses continue to face a lot of restrictions and attempt by government to punish tem. Plus many serious crimes have gone unpunished and released without charges but laws against anything in the name of COVID the politicians want zero tolerance enforcement with no discussion of what can things be done while still balancing public health and people’s mean of living. It doesn’t excuse people’s responsibility of not going down the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories but we can’t deny how people were in the beginning complying with the restrictions and I saw the restrictions really had serious backlash after the BLM and Antifa riots started and politicans practicing huge double standards during that time. With all that I said I think some would still be surprised that I still wear masks, practice social distancing, etc. I know some Christians are surprised that I still wear masks and believe in being cautous with the virus even with the level of criticism I have for the government and sadly that reflects the either/or thinking going on today. I’m cautious not because I’m afraid of the virus for my own sake but for the sake of others especially our elderly and those with prexisting health condition. Yet that doesn’t mean I’m blindly have to believe everything is solve by government which I think actually causes more problem for to not notice the double standard of the government and point it out seems too big of an elephant in the room.
    I personally think Trump handling the virus is far better than what the Democrats could have done or have done. I think one can say that without being a blind Trump Supporter or a Christian nationalist. He’s closed international flight the day after WHO said to do so. This was when the Democrats were still railing on Trump being anti-Chinese and racists, nationalists, etc, last time this year in February. I remember those tweets and articles from the left that time which struck me as Partisan politics more than reasonable concerns from the Left. My area has a massive Chinese community and even before the shutdown our area became a ghost town even back in January business wise. I don’t think many in my community felt it was racists of Trump and some I know don’t feel comfortable that Democrats drag the name of Chinese community to demonize Trump’s policy to protect the country. I think Trump’s early effort of providing Naval Hospital Ships was also underutilized by the two city of LA and NY, Democrat who have their own political agenda of seemingly having it together on their own, the typical politics. Then there’s Operation Warpspeed that got rid of redtapes to help with record speed for a Vaccine but then the pharmacital companies went partisan and told Biden about the vaccine before Trump and they had a vax before the election but announced it after the election. I also think each state and local government response is part of the American system and isn’t a bad thing per se as a policy for say LA might not be proportional response in a rural state, county, etc. But each politicans in each jurisdiction has the responsibility for what to do.
    At the end of the day I think most of those who storm the Capital were largely nonbelievers. I think there might have been a few ideological left leaning agitators there that day like John Earl Sullivan of Utah who has ties to BLM and far left causes. But I don’t buy the theory that it was mainly aintifa and BLM who storm the Capitol. That infamous Q Anon Shaman guy if you listen to videos of him speak definitely was some kind of pagan who believe in some spirits stuff that definiely wasn’t Chistians, you can find him talking over at Youtube. Someone shared with me a picture of an open air preacher during the capitol riot and I actually saw the full footage of the guy was facing the crowd rushing the capitol and wasn’t heading towards the capitol. Yeah you do have those Chistian Nationalists in the midst and many of them have whacky views and are favorable to Christianity or call themselves followers of Christ; I think of when Jesus was preaching there were crowds with unregenerate followers whom the Pharisees were creeped out and scared about who even have the potential to kill the religious leaders if they said things that the crowd doesn’t like such as about John the Baptist in Luke 20; but I don’t see Jesus or the Disciples saw that crowd as being true believers nor did Jesus and disciples had to “own” that crowd and apologize profusely to the establishment for what the crowd are like; they aren’t Jesus’ people. January 6th came and went but what’s here longer to stay is a frightening Leftist agenda to restrict liberties and freedom of those they disagree with; I don’t think that’s conspiracy, these days reading and listening to the mainstream leftist media you hear more conspiracy theories against Conservatives and Christians than anything before January 6th. It’s crazy what they pubically say; at the end of the day Tom they (Big Brother, Big Tech, Hollywood and elites) are going to increasingly go after Christians. It isn’t removal of Trump or the virus that’s what they ultimately want. I mean how many of our own brothers and sisters on WordPress have shared social media restricting them for things that isn’t Trump, Christian nationalism, virus denial, etc. SOme of these believers aren’t even Americans!

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    1. Hey Jimmy. Thanks for taking the time to share your views on this. I’m glad you included information about the progressives. They certainly have their agenda. That said, I’m also saddened that many Christians are getting sucked into conspiratorial extremism that’s being propagated from pulpits in some cases. I don’t believe Christians should bury their heads in the sand, but this preoccupation with temporal circumstances and all kinds of wild theories including pandemic denial is alarming. Thanks for weighing in.

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      1. I am sadden to see conspiracy theories too from a pastoral perspective. I am glad no one in our small church is trying to propagate any Q Anon stuff nor also woke ideology, though our members have to wrestle with family and friends that have believed things like the virus isn’t real, that Trump was going to arrest the Pope, etc.

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  10. I read your note David, point taken. I’m thinking that we all could have been a little more careful with words that were used, but that just demonstrates how quickly a conversation can escalate into exchanging derogatory adjectives towards one another, when differences of opinion are expressed. The scary part is that I would consider this a relatively friendly environment. And no David, everything is not black and white, taking the vaccine is a case in point, as there are valid reasons why someone might opt out from taking it right away, what with the incomplete data on reactions to the vaccine. One of the main accusations being put forward by some with regard to vaccines in the past, has to do with some vaccines being associated with autism. So I would agree that Mandy’s point, raised by her close friend, is valid. Problem being, if too many people decide to opt out, the immunity provided by the vaccine for the general populace can be basically negated. Nothing is simple and there are dove tailed ramifications all over the place, which is what makes this whole discussion on Covid19 so difficult to deal with. And Covid19 is but one part of a much larger narrative being discussed and the more one expands the narrative, the more expanded complications arise. Feathers got ruffled and the resulting dialogue deteriorated, and then it was apparently salvaged. Personally I think we all could use some serious coaching on how to discuss differences of understanding, without resorting to personal accusations. Tomorrow is a new day, let’s try to be a little more careful. Blessings.

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    1. Hey, All!
      I wrote a poem when I was 16 that ended with “perfection is knowing that one is flawed.” Praise God that we know Jesus the perfect, flawless, sinless Lamb of God!

      Jimmy stated my positions better than I ever could; however, I want to go on the record and state that my best friend is NOT anti vaccine nor am I anti vaccine! There seems to be an awful lot of confusion or competing data on which vaccine to take. Yesterday, I saw South Africa is no longer going to administer the AstraZeneca vaccine but Spain says it works great for those under 65. Again, I am NOT anti vaccine.

      I am 39 so I also view this differently. My aunt had her first shot last week and hopefully my folks will get their first sometime this month as well. My mother-in-law is getting her first this week. So again, I am not anti vaccine.

      I wear my mask everywhere. For those who know me and have talked with me in person, on the phone, via email or text I have said from the beginning “the mask is NOT the hill that I want to die on!” It absolutely grieves me that people cannot or will not wear a mask. I am a Physical Therapist Assistant by trade and it does bother me and I do agree wholeheartedly that Christians are getting the mask issue wrong! My best friend has told me she will confront people about the mask, she has also encouraged her life group to wear their masks when gathering inside, she meets with the via Zoom. I have had to check myself when I glare at people for not wearing a mask!

      Tom, you mentioned polio yesterday, my first thought was Jonas Salk didn’t want to patent the polio vaccine, he gave it as a free gift to the world. I cannot imagine how rampant polio still would be in this world had Salk not! The way the COVID vaccine has been handled is unlike any making/distribution we have ever seen.

      I also do not think it is a conspiracy theory to say too many people are putting their hope in a vaccine rather than in Christ. I do not believe nor do I think Scripture supports life going back to “normal.” I do not think it is a conspiracy theory that how this pandemic has been handled by all parties and governments all over the world is aligning with the birth pains described in Scripture. I also think the vaccine will give people a false sense of security.

      I can talk about this civilly when it is NOT tied to a political party. I do not follow very many blogs because I want to be able to engage fully with the folks I follow. Lately, some blog posts have hurt my feelings. Bruce you mention about being alone if I only read people I agree with. Why should I want to read or follow someone who hurts me? I see birth pain, end time events occurring all over the place. The stage is being set but y’all wouldn’t want to hear my thoughts. I really don’t see this politically but biblically. Again, I do not think that I am a conspiracy theorist (although y’all might since I do think this vaccine is a potential precursor). I do not like feeling like with posts like these I am short sighted, temporal, earthly living woman and authors are more spiritual, Jesus loving people. I love Jesus. Jesus is my life. I get it wrong all the time. May God have mercy on me, a sinner.

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      1. I read what you wrote carefully and I am not assuming anything that I am aware of. I think I know your heart, because your love for Jesus does shine through. The point I was making with regard to being alone is that none of us have it all down pat, and there should be a prayerfully determined consideration brought into the equation of who we follow and who we do not follow when on the Internet. I sincerely hope that you continue to talk with me from time to time and I know I enjoy hearing from you. I don’t expect you to be in line with all of what I see or understand or don’t understand for that matter. Discussing issues are one thing, throwing ridicule at one another is another matter and we really should not be doing that, regardless of who we are. I just think we need to be a little more careful and accommodating and forgiving. You are free to let me know when you think I have crossed the line. I really try hard not to do that but it can happen unintentionally and if it does, correct me. We’re all in the same sand box and fortunately God’s love is way bigger than our smallness that pops up from time to time. I love you in the Lord Mandy, that is the bottom line.

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      2. Thanks for the comments, Mandy. As you know, I publish posts critical of RCism and ecumenism quite often knowing full well they are going to be offensive to many/most. I also post items critical of Christian nationalism, although a lot less frequently. Let’s take my brother and friend, Pastor Jimmy, as an example. We’ve been friends for close to five years here at WP and I really value and appreciate his friendship. He leans a bit more towards politics and nationalism than I do and we have some disagreements in that area. I don’t agree with everything he posted in his comments yesterday, but that’s okay. He (very) infrequently publishes posts that touch on nationalism and politics and I’ll either limit my response or wait for the next day’s post.
        I believe strongly that Christian nationalism is detrimental to the Body of Christ, especially the extremist brand that propagates all kinds of really wacko conspiracy theories. I understand that most American Christians don’t share my anti-nationalism views. I am not going to refrain from criticizing Christian nationalism in the future, just as I would not think of refraining from criticizing the RCC or ecumenism.
        I don’t think yesterday’s post was any more acrimonious than the material from extremist, pandemic-denying, conspiracy-mongering bloggers that many support and encourage with their “Amens.”

        Argh. Well, I’m getting back into yesterday’s mode and I had enough of that. I value your friendship and your views. Diverse viewpoints and opinions are shared on blogs. I can disagree with faithful Christians like Pastor Jimmy and David on this nationalism-politics-conspiracy issue without taking personal offense and I hope we can, too.

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  11. Good article, thank you. My observation is that years of “the media and science is always wrong” rhetoric has backfired. People have forgotten that “a broken clock is right twice a day”.

    I live in place that got his so hard this fall that it was a 48 hour wait for an ambulance. Easy to dismiss evidence until you call for an ambulance and they say, “we’ll be there in 2 days…”

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    1. Thanks for the support!

      RE: My observation is that years of “the media and science is always wrong” rhetoric has backfired.

      Agreed. They dismiss the medical community but readily soak up the conspiracy rants from some provocateur sitting in his apartment with a laptop. Yes, and then they’ll expect the medical community’s full attention when THEY come down with COVID. Sorry for your long ambulance wait.

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  12. Hi Tom,
    I can’t really comment on your post as the Covid situation where I live is nothing compared to what I hear is happening in other parts of the world, Interesting reading your post and all the comments.
    Are the vaccines mandatory in your country ?
    If they are, what happens if one refuses to have the jab, as they say?
    Our government is considering making the vaccine mandatory with severe penalties for those who refuse.
    Thank you Tom

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    1. Hi Crissy. No, the vaccinations aren’t mandatory here. With the virus now rapidly mutating into stronger strains, I wonder how effective the current vaccines are going to be. The vaccine rollout is half-baked in keeping with the government’s overall response to the virus over the last 11 months. My three older sisters living in Florida have already received their second dose, while here in New York, my 65YO wife is still waiting to be notified by our local health system for a vaccination appointment. She took it upon herself to book an appointment in March in Syracuse which is 128 kms from us.

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      2. I understand there was “some” discussion in Congress of making COVID relief checks dependent upon vaccinations, but with the vaccination process being haphazard and far lengthier than first anticipated, that would be an impossibility. Is Australia issuing COVID relief checks?

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  13. I 100% agree, Tom.

    I have had to take the virus seriously because my daughter has a very compromised immune system due to health issues. Her life span will already be cut short and we are determined to do the best we can to help her live as long as possible. In fact, my family has made several serious adjustments in our schedules/work in order to keep our chances of getting the virus as low as possible. I haven’t decided on getting the vaccination yet and I’m not in the age group it is being offered to first (although quickly approaching it). I have not discouraged anyone from getting it. Many I know are hoping to get vaccinated as soon as they can.
    I appreciate your candid and common sense view on the issue. So many are afraid to discuss the issue for fear of being slammed. Civility should be the order of the day even when discussing important issues like this one and so many important theological issues as well. The comments I’ve read here, thus far, contain this type of civility.
    I’ve often wondered how anyone would think I would consider their view when they are calling me an idiot. We should not be afraid to express our views and we should be willing to hear other views even if we disagree with them. The conversation is over when the name calling starts even though it might get louder. Unfortunately, this issue has been very divisive. It seems that our society is becoming more divided in all areas. This is no surprise to me as Americans are reading their Bibles less than ever. The wisdom we need isn’t something we can create on our own, as you well know. We need God’s Word to straighten us out and show us our real needs.

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    1. Thanks for your comments, Chris! I knew beforehand that I was going to catch a good degree of flak for putting this post out there, but it wasn’t something I could keep silent about any longer. Yup, I get that I don’t have all the answers, BUT it seems like Christians are buying into or at least accommodating some pretty extremist and un-Biblical ideas these days.

      I’m sorry about your daughter’s condition. I said a prayer that you all stay safe in the midst of this lingering pandemic.

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      1. You’re welcome, Tom! I recently watched a video by Justin Peters where he discusses how the many “Christian prophets” were wrong about Mr. Trump winning a second term. Yes, it is surprising there was “no fraud” when every election has fraud. I don’t think anyone really knows how “successful” any attempt at fraud was, even those who may have planned it. Anyway, you mentioned crazy things in “Christiandom” these days and one of the things that I can’t keep up with are the number of modern day “prophets” who continue to be wrong consistently. We know what happened to a false prophet in the O.T.
        Nearly all of these modern prophets said Mr. Trump would be reelected and many specifically said it would happen in 2020. Well, I woke up today and Mr. Biden is our president. Only a couple of these false prophets made any attempt at an apology. None that I’m aware of repented and changed their “prophet” title. There are dozens of these people spouting and the number of hits on their social media platforms is beyond understanding. I know your blog exposes the bad theology of the Catholic church but most of these modern day “prophets” would consider themselves protestant I think.
        Hang on my friend. We seem to be headed (in?) for a wild ride. What a blessing it is to know that our God will never leave us or forsake us!

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      4. Thanks for the comments, Chris. Yes, I am amazed at how people continue to follow those charlatans and send them their seed faith money. So gullible. Zero discernment. Ninety percent of the hucksters on TBN give “evangelical Christianity” a bad name. A could write A LOT of critical things about the Pentecostal/charismatic movement, but the Lord brought me up, through, and out of the RCC and that’s what I know best to shine a critical light on.

        Yes, things are definitely getting wild. Praise the Lord that our Shepherd is already victorious!

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    2. Chris, sorry to hear about your daughter and I completely agree with you. I have a daughter who has been through cancer treatment which has made her immune system low. The hospitals were so inundated here in Ireland and a shopping centre was being used to accommodate oncology appointments. She went to her appointment wearing her mask of course, as this is essential when visiting any medical facilities. Unfortunately masks were not mandatory in shopping precincts at the time so most people weren’t wearing them – which was up to them. However, when she got out of the car, a man coughed deliberately into her face – just because she was wearing a mask. He had no idea what she was going through in her personal life or what she had been through… He just saw a young woman whom he thought was about to go shopping. He didn’t know that part of that building was being used for oncology appointments. None of us know what is going on in anyone else’s life… I have had many shocks at certain attitudes amongst professing Christians too but I leave it with the Lord. I will remember your daughter in prayer.

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      1. Thank you for your prayers, Ready, and please know that you will have mine as well.

        How cruel it was for that man to cough in your daughter’s face! He must be a very sad and evil creature. I can imagine what went through your daughter’s mind for the next several days (or weeks even).
        What you have stated has become more real to me because of my daughter’s illness:
        “None of us know what is going on in anyone else’s life…”
        And I so appreciate this:
        “I have had many shocks at certain attitudes amongst professing Christians too but I leave it with the Lord.”
        It is the only way to stay sane in our world today.
        Thank you for sharing.
        May God bless you, your daughter, and your family.

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