Today, we continue with our video series from the recent Former Catholics for Christ Conference, which was held at the Southern View Chapel in Springfield, Illinois this past May 17-19.
Below is the video of the sixth presentation of the conference, which was a…
Question & Answer Panel
Panelists: Cecil Andrews; Mike Gendron; Rob Zins; Tim Kauffman
Presented: Saturday PM, May 18th, 2019
This is an excellent Q&A session featuring the four conference presenters. The microphone shared by Zins and Kauffman is not operational so you’ll have to turn up your volume when those brothers speak. One qualification: In the course of the Q&A, Rob Zins makes a few critical remarks in which he mentions Steve Lawson in connection with the “Lordship Salvation” controversy. I respect Zins quite a bit, but I don’t believe he’s presenting the views of Lawson with complete accuracy on this issue. Steve Lawson DOES NOT teach that works are a part of salvation, but teaches, as does God’s Word, that a person who has genuinely accepted Jesus Christ as Savior by faith alone will bear fruit.
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Thanks for visiting, Bonnie!
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Will check this out tonight
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I know you’re super-busy, but if you have time to watch it I would be interested in your take on Zins’ comments regarding Lawson.
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Steve Lawson???
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Yeah, he makes some comments about John Piper advocating secondary/final justification by works and lumps in Steve Lawson with Piper.
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Wow…I wonder if it’s something to do with piper’s future justification…
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Yes, he’s linking Piper’s future/secondary justification to MacArthur/Lawson/“Lordship salvation”
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I am suspicious of Piper’s future justification; but I don’t think its the same thing as Lordship salvation with Lawson and MacArthur. I also heard them mention Doug Wilson’s theology, Federal Vision and New Perspective of Paul. I don’t think they were trying to lump as the same but I certainly don’t think MacArthur and Lawson is the same with those other junk (I’m talking about NPP, FV, Wilson’s theology, etc).
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Thanks, I agree with all of your above points. Piper’s future/secondary justification reminds me a lot of Chris Castaldo’s book that I reviewed in which he was attempting to find a “middle ground” between Catholicism’s and Bible Christianity’s irreconcilable views on justification using the writings of Peter Martyr Vermigli and John Henry Newman.
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I had to ‘like’ this before viewing the video. The first words, “Former Catholics for Christ” gladdened my heart. 🙂
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Thanks, Lisa Beth! Yes, I am very grateful for this conference.
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I’m at the 14 minutes mark…I wished they brought up presup with dealing with Bart Erhman!
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Good point.
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My reading of Lawson sounds solid with the handling of the Gospel. I wonder what is the Q&A referring to Steve Lawson being mistaken…
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He’s linking MacArthur/Lawson/“Lordship salvation” to Piper’s second justification by works.
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I’ve never heard of MacArthur nor Lawson talk about a second justification. I think both those men are pretty historic and classical Protestant in their view of justification.
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I know we’ve discussed the “Lordship salvation” controversy previously. There are some people, and I’ve encountered a few here at WordPress, who react strongly to JMac as if he is attempting to add works to justification by faith alone. It’s a misunderstanding/overreaction on their part.
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Agreed.
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I’m a little slow on the blog today by the way, had a late night counseling case; been rather crazy this week for me with some issues I’m ministering to while trying to lead VBS prep
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Yup, I saw no posts from you last night and attributed it to your busy schedule. Lord uphold you and bless all your ministries!
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Thanks! Writing a devotional right now…
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