Today is Ash Wednesday and the first day of the 40-day Lenten season for Roman Catholics. It’s become our first-day-of-Lent tradition here at excatholic4christ to roll out this old post, originally written in 2016, which examines some of the labyrinthine complexities of Catholicism’s Lenten fasting rules.
Enjoy!
This morning I was listening to the 10/30/15 podcast of the Calling All Catholics talk radio show on The Station of the Cross, 101.7 FM, out of Buffalo, New York. Catholic priest, Dave Baker, was taking questions, assisted by moderator, Mike Denz.
One of the listeners had a question regarding the church’s rule on abstinence from meat on Fridays during Lent, which I thought was quite timely because we’re currently in the Lenten season. Because the Catholic church absolutely forbids meat on Fridays during Lent, any Catholic who defiantly consumes meat commits a “mortal” sin and is doomed to hell for eternity unless they confess the sin to a priest.
But the rule’s not always as cut and dry as a juicy rib-eye steak or a succulent pork chop. The listener wanted to know if the ban on meat even included something like beef bouillon. Priest Baker irresolutely suggested that beef bouillon was “probably” okay to eat, but encouraged the person to visit the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops’ web site to get the details.
Well, being the curious sinner-saved-by-grace that I am, I went to the website and found the following information:
Q. I understand that all the Fridays of Lent are days of abstinence from meat, but I’m not sure what is classified as meat. Does meat include chicken and dairy products?
A. Abstinence laws consider that meat comes only from animals such as chickens, cows, sheep or pigs — all of which live on land. Birds are also considered meat. Abstinence does not include meat juices and liquid foods made from meat. Thus, such foods as chicken broth, consomme, soups cooked or flavored with meat, meat gravies or sauces, as well as seasonings or condiments made from animal fat are technically not forbidden. However, moral theologians have traditionally taught that we should abstain from all animal-derived products (except foods such as gelatin, butter, cheese and eggs, which do not have any meat taste). Fish are a different category of animal. Salt and freshwater species of fish, amphibians, reptiles, (cold-blooded animals) and shellfish are permitted.
http://www.usccb.org/prayer-and-worship/liturgical-year/lent/questions-and-answers-about-lent.cfm
So while the bishops say it’s “technically” OK to consume meat-based broths, gravies, and seasonings, they add that Catholic moral theologians have traditionally taught that Catholics should abstain from all animal-derived products with the exception of products that don’t taste like meat.
Yikes! I’m still confused. This is getting more complicated than college calculus. Okay, let’s try to break it down using my favorite cracker, Chicken in a Biskit, as an example. One of the ingredients listed on the box is “dehydrated cooked chicken.” So, is it a “mortal” sin for a Catholic to eat Chicken in a Biskit crackers on Friday during Lent? The U.S. bishops say meat-based seasonings are OK, but then turn around and say the church’s moral theologians forbid any meat derivative that tastes like meat. And, yes, Chicken in a Biskit crackers taste somewhat like chicken. So, which is it? I WANT TO KNOW! Is it OK to eat Chicken in a Biskit crackers or not? Will a Catholic go to hell for all eternity because they ate a Chicken in a Biskit cracker on Friday during Lent????
Ridiculous? Absolutely. The Bible doesn’t say anything about abstaining from meat on Fridays, but it does warn against religious leaders who forbid certain foods. All of these complicated abstinence rules remind me of the Pharisees who took the Mosaic Law that no one could obey anyway, and made it even more intricate and burdensome.
Praise the Lord for freeing me from the legalistic chains and man-made traditions of Roman Catholicism! We sin every day by breaking God’s Biblical commandments. But God loved us so much He sent His Son, Jesus Christ, to pay the penalty for our sins on the cross. Then Jesus rose from the grave, conquering sin and death, and offers eternal life and fellowship with God to all those who accept Him as Savior by faith alone. Accept Christ and seek out an evangelical church in your area that teaches God’s Word without compromise.
For more of my thoughts regarding Lent see here and here and here.
I can’t imagine being under so much stress regarding a dietary cracker choice. Lol. These remind me of my grandma… she always had boxes of these around. Haha.. enjoy!
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Catholicism is full of such legalistic conundrums. Kudos to your grandma for her good taste! In my high school years I would spend a Sunday afternoon watching football while eating an entire box of Chicken in a Biskit crackers and a jar of peperoncini peppers. That was back in the day when I had a cast iron stomach.
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Hi full disclosure even though I’m not Catholic I like chicken in a biskit crackers great for snack time.
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Thanks, BG! Chicken in a Biskit are the best! I usually buy whole grain and low salt Triscuit crackers every week but every once in awhile I slip in a box of Chicken in a Biskit.
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Yes Triscuits are good too Ritz are good as well.
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That comic book bashing Jesus is insane and wrong.
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Yes, I agree. Entertainment venues must keep trying to be “edgier” to distance themselves from the competition.
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Yeah but to bash the One Who died to save them that’s wrong.
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I think about what was “acceptable” for entertainment venues to present back when I was a kid in the 1960s compared to now and the difference is drastic. I’m not trying to be the “morality police,” I’m just a sinner saved by grace, but as the influence of the church in society wanes the non-believers push farther and farther.
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Yes I agree agree but have we gotten to the point we we as Believers in Jesus say enough is enough and throw out our comic books. You and me when we grew up we never dealt with comic book company’s blaspheming Jesus not that I remember I don’t think ever did but now they don’t care if they do.
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I can understand your frustration, BG. Unfortunately, blasphemous and anti-Biblical materials of various kinds have been produced by all the major entertainment conglomerates.
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Yes it’s bad enough it was once but twice it makes one weep as I did it’s just sickening.
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I hear you, BG. We can count on the unsaved behaving like unsaved souls.
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Yes Roman 8:9.
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That’s right!
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Yep.
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What do we do just deal with it I mean our culture is sick and yet night after night people including myself watch these secular shows that hate Jesus and us the church.
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I believe Christians living in this country got lulled into believing that America was a “Christian country” and took it for granted that most everyone living here was Christian. They also became tolerant of those who pushed doctrinal error and ecumenism. Few Christians today are under the deception that America is a “Christian country” anymore. Now we can concentrate on giving out the Gospel rather than sitting back and assuming most people are Christians.
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We aren’t this nation is killing their children building high places to pagan gods worships Moloch and bash Jesus there is only a remnant of believers like us this nation needs Jesus and the Gospel.
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Agree with you, brother.
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Yes.
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When we ask people have you been Born Again and they say I was confirmed in the church that’s a problem.
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Catholics are being taught by their priests that if someone asks them if they are born again, they are to respond that they were born again when they were baptized as an infant.
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Yeah didn’t know that the person I asked the confirmation was done in a protestant not Catholic Church
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Do we throw out everything comic book related how many more stories like these two and say that’s it and we throw it all out how far is too far
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I know you’re frustrated brother but if we did that we would also have to throw out all secular books, unplug TV and all secular internet, etc.
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Yes it’s a domino effect but we gotta speak up and warn other believers of this very bad comic book.
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Yes, I’m going to mention it in my weekend roundup.
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That’s good.
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This comic book story has affected me I wept because it is so wrong.
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I happened to see a segment of an old Monty Python movie in which they made fun of Jesus’ crucifixion. Boy was I angry.
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Yes.
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It’s not just frustrating but that was us were like those comic book writers before He saved us.
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Yup, I was definitely a scoffer.
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Yeah. I took His name in vain before I was saved and Born Again He had every right to strike us dead but He had Mercy on us
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We all were scoffers before He saved us.
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Yup.
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I remember this post 😁
And this is what I have to say:
John 8:32
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
ALL GLORY AND HONOR TO THE. ONE TRUE GOD THAT ALLOWS US TO REST IN HIM BECAUSE OF THE WOTK HE HAS FINISHED FOR US 😢❤️
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He’s the best!!!!
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Amen! Praise God we don’t have to anguish over picayune religious legalities.
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👍🏻🙏🏻
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Beth, thanks for the good comments and Bible verse! Yes, if a person is worrying about the effects of certain foods upon their salvation, that’s a surefire sign their church is bogus (c)hristianity.
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Yes!!!!
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Timely post; I remember this post and the picture. Good post on the legalism and confusion of Romanism
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Thanks! Catholicism has many legalistic rabbit holes 🕳 but this ban on “meat” on Lenten Fridays is one of the more well known.
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By the way just rescued your comment on my spam box; sometimes WordPress acts up
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Thanks! It’s strange how WordPress goes kerflooey sometimes.
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Yeah WordPress has its moments
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That is rather confusing. Oddly, I love a good plain old Saltine. With some peanut butter, or sausage and cheese. Yum.
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Thanks. Yup, one of many legalistic religious rabbit holes. Saltines are good but definitely need a topping. When I was a young kid the only crackers available were Saltines and Ritz.
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We were so deprived.
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I can remember when Nabisco first came out with their flavored crackers like Chicken in a Biskit and I thought it was the greatest thing.
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Tom, a story. When I was 6 yrs old, we took a trip way into the interior of Mexico. Drove our car all the way to Veracruz if you can believe that. We ended up breaking down and spent a month down there. Anyway, back to the story. We had stopped on the road on the drive to figure out which way to go, and my brother and I ran into some mexican kids in a little poor village. I remember offering them Saltines. So, two American kids and some poor Mexican kids bonded over crackers.
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Good story, Wally. Amazing the things people bond over and also that we can retain special memories after 40+ years.
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Thank you, Tom for a true unveiling of the truth of what God requires. If we could only rest in what we have been given in the sacrifice of our Lord, we would be free to receive an abundance of the promised blessings, more than we could ask or imagine.
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Thanks, Fran. I can’t put into words the joy of being freed from the legalistic religious treadmill by putting my trust in Jesus as my Savior.
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He is the powerful and only one who can deliver.
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Just remember, Tom, there are many witnesses to your lying. A millstone has been reserved for you who lead others to sin.
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Francis, your criticism and scolding are actually sweet affirmations. What person who found a way out of a burning building would not go back and tell others who were trapped? Praise the Lord for opening my eyes and rescuing me from the spiritually deadly chains of Catholicism. Your religious institution with its worthless complexities is the millstone around your own neck.
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But you are literally lying. Jesus calls Himself the Truth. You do not follow Jesus. What you see as a millstone around my neck is only the embrace of the obedience of love, and it carries me to God like gondola. You are wounded and cannot see. Seek help.
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My truth is Jesus Christ and salvation by God’s grace through faith in Christ alone. Your “truth” is these complex legalistic vagueries as exemplified by this no-meat-on-Lenten-Fridays sham.
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But you lie. Satan also knows Jesus, and lies.
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I don’t accuse you of lying, Francis. You are deceived and blinded by the lies of your Satanic religious institution. But what I really want to know from you this morning is, is it OK for a Catholic to eat a Chicken in a Biskit cracker tomorrow? Your bishops are unable to give me a clear-cut bottom line answer.
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You’re lying again.
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Can you please answer my question? Is it OK for a Catholic to eat a Chicken in a Biskit cracker tomorrow on a Lenten Friday?
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You need to seek psychiatric counseling. Do it for yourself and your family.
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So now we shift from theology to personal insults? Please answer my question. Is it OK or not OK for a Catholic to eat a Chicken in a Biskit cracker tomorrow on a Lenten Friday?
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Insult? I suggested a remedy for your problem.
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Where I live, if during a dialogue one of the parties suggests the other party needs to see a psychiatrist, that’s a surefire sign the dialogue has reached its limit.
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