Mary or Jesus?

Tomorrow, Roman Catholics will celebrate the Feast of the Assumption. Every August 15th assumption-murilloCatholics commemorate the supposed assumption of Mary into Heaven at the end of her life. Tales of Mary’s assumption first began to circulate in the 4th century with the rise of Mariolatry within the church. There is no record of the event prior to that. But Mary’s growing group of admirers argued that she was sinless, and because she was sinless they insisted it was reasonable to assume that God had to have taken her directly up to Heaven rather than allow her to experience the corruption of the grave.

Mariolatry evolved and grew over the centuries and finally in 1950, by popular demand, pope Pius XII declared the assumption of Mary to be an infallible doctrine of the church. Catholics who do not believe this dogmatic teaching are doomed to Hell. The pope did not specifically address whether Mary had died or not prior to her assumption so that debate continues. Also, the various apocryphal accounts differ widely as to the year of the assumption. Some say the 40s, some the 50s, and some the 60s.

We’re all familiar with the humble accounts of Mary in the Gospels. But she is mentioned only briefly in Acts and not at all in the Epistles. Yet, Catholicism elevated Mary to become the “Channel of All Graces,” “Co-Mediatrix,” and “Co-Redemptrix.” How did Mary rise to such preeminence in Catholic doctrine when there is no biblical support for it? In stark contrast the Gospels make it plainly clear that Mary is not to be exalted the way she is in Catholicism:

“And Mary said: “My soul glorifies the Lord and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.” – Luke 1:46-47.

“While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.” He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.” – Matthew 12:46-50.

“As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, “Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you.” He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.” – Luke 11:27-28.

Catholics who read the New Testament for the first time are quite surprised by how little Scripture has to say about Mary.

For a fascinating examination of the influence of pagan mother-goddess worship and the rise of Mariolatry within 41vDfGuwlnL__SX313_BO1,204,203,200_the early church see “The Virgin: Mary’s Cult and the Re-emergence of the Goddess” by distinguished British historian, Geoffrey Ashe. The author certainly isn’t a believer but his research is eye-opening.
http://www.amazon.com/Virgin-Marys-Cult-Re-emergence-Goddess/dp/0750950641/ref=la_B000APY59C_1_13?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1439570528&sr=1-13&refinements=p_82%3AB000APY59C

For Evangelicals the worship of Mary within Catholicism is quite bizarre. But Catholics object that they don’t actually worship Mary but highly venerate her with “hyperdulia.” Hyper what??? But the demarcation between veneration and worship certainly isn’t clear, especially among passionate Marian devotees. The hyper-Marianist writings of “saints” Alphonsus de Liguori and Louis De Montfort are disturbing heresy for any follower of Jesus Christ.

Although Evangelical ecumenists are perplexed by the idolatrous devotion given to Mary I certainly don’t see it as the MAJOR problem with Catholicism. The central issue dividing Evangelicals and Catholics is salvation. Evangelicals believe in the “Good News” of salvation by the grace of God through faith in Jesus Christ ALONE. Catholics believe in a “gospel” of sacramental grace and legalistic “cooperation” with grace in order to merit their salvation by obeying the Ten Commandments and church rules. The prominence given to Mary in this works-righteousness religious system is really a secondary issue.

Don’t get me wrong. From Scripture we see that Mary is certainly an admirable example of a humble and obedient servant of God. But she needed to accept Christ as her Savior by faith just like everyone else. The way Catholics have attributed to her the redemptive and mediatorial offices that belong to Christ alone would grieve her immensely.

The Feast of the Assumption is normally an obligatory holy day for Catholics requiring them to attend mass that day or incur a “mortal” sin. But whenever this particular feast falls on a Saturday or Monday, like this year, the requirement to attend mass is “abrogated.” Sheesh! A Catholic needs a canon lawyer to keep track of all the rules and regulations. But most aren’t too worried about it. 75% of Catholics can’t even make it to mass on Sundays let alone any additional “holy days.” They reasonably question why they should have to sit through another boring liturgy when the current pope says even atheists will go to Heaven if they’re “good.”

Thank the Lord for salvation by the grace of God through simple faith in Jesus Christ ALONE!

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12 thoughts on “Mary or Jesus?

  1. Don’t you know that when a women becomes pregnant, the cells of every baby live in her forever? This is called microchimerism. Since Jesus Christ is also God, then Mary is the perpetual tabernacle of God. It is only fitting that she should be assumed into Heaven with God in her.

    Don’t try to refute what can not be refuted. Work instead for the salvation of souls. Thank you.

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  2. “Work instead for the salvation of souls.”

    That’s what I’m doing. No one can merit their salvation by trying to obey the Ten Commandments as the Catholic church teaches. Salvation is by God’s grace through faith in Jesus Christ ALONE.

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    1. sdcharg,

      Whoa, yeah! You wouldn’t want to be caught trying to obey those Ten Commandments! Better get the word out.

      Jesus said “If you love me, you will keep my commandments” (John 14:15).

      I’m curious…. are any Catholics claiming that salvation is not through God’s grace through faith in Jesus Christ alone?

      -Ben

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      1. Ben, Yes, the Lord certainly expects His REDEEMED to obey Him but please don’t put the cart before the horse and claim ANYONE can possibly be justified by obeying the law. Catholics are taught they must obey the law completely so they can present themselves to God in a sinless “state of grace” at the time of their death. Catholics are taught If they have even one “mortal” sin on their soul on the occasion of their death they are going to hell. But the Holy Spirit convicts me of my sin constantly throughout each and every day, either in thought, word, deed, or omission. If I had to depend on how well I obeyed the law for my salvation I would give up after the first day. Thank the Lord my perfect Savior paid for ALL of my sins. This should give you pause – Catholics refer to Jesus as the “Savior” but then go about trying to save themselves by futilely attempting to obey the law as the basis of their salvation.

        “Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?” Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.” – John 6:28-29

        “Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin. But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.” – Romans 3:19-24.

        “…as far as the east is from the west, so far has he removed our transgressions from us.” – Psalm 103:12

        “You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous person, though for a good person someone might possibly dare to die. But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him! For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life! Not only is this so, but we also boast in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.” – Romans 5:6-11.

        “I’m curious…. are any Catholics claiming that salvation is not through God’s grace through faith in Jesus Christ alone?”

        You need to read the official Catholic catechism. Catholics must merit their salvation following so-called “grace”:

        “Since the initiative belongs to God in the order of grace, no one can merit the initial grace of forgiveness and justification, at the beginning of conversion. Moved by the Holy Spirit and by charity, we can then merit for ourselves and for others the graces needed for our sanctification, for the increase of grace and charity, and for the attainment of eternal life. Even temporal goods like health and friendship can be merited in accordance with God’s wisdom. These graces and goods are the object of Christian prayer. Prayer attends to the grace we need for meritorious actions.” – Catholic Catechism, paragraph 2010.

        The Council of Trent condemns to Hell anyone who believes salvation is by the grace of God through faith in Jesus alone.

        Canon 9: “If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema.”

        Canon 12: “If any one shall say that justifying faith is nothing else than confidence in the divine mercy pardoning sins for Christ’s sake, or that it is that confidence alone by which we are justified . . . let him be accursed”

        Canon 14: “If any one saith, that man is truly absolved from his sins and justified, because that he assuredly believed himself absolved and justified; or, that no one is truly justified but he who believes himself justified; and that, by this faith alone, absolution and justification are effected; let him be anathema.”

        Canon 23: “lf any one saith, that a man once justified can sin no more, nor lose grace, and that therefore he that falls and sins was never truly justified; or, on the other hand, that he is able, during his whole life, to avoid all sins, even those that are venial,–except by a special privilege from God, as the Church holds in regard of the Blessed Virgin; let him be anathema.”

        Canon 24: “If any one saith, that the justice received is not preserved and also increased before God through good works; but that the said works are merely the fruits and signs of Justification obtained, but not a cause of the increase thereof; let him be anathema.”

        Canon 30: “If any one saith, that, after the grace of Justification has been received, to every penitent sinner the guilt is remitted, and the debt of eternal punishment is blotted out in such wise, that there remains not any debt of temporal punishment to be discharged either in this world, or in the next in Purgatory, before the entrance to the kingdom of heaven can be opened (to him); let him be anathema.”

        Canon 33: “If any one saith, that, by the Catholic doctrine touching Justification, by this holy Synod inset forth in this present decree, the glory of God, or the merits of our Lord Jesus Christ are in any way derogated from, and not rather that the truth of our faith, and the glory in fine of God and of Jesus Christ are rendered (more) illustrious; let him be anathema.

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  3. sdcharg,

    I think it might help to clarify some things if you don’t mind answering a few questions in regard to your comment above.

    Do you see disobedience as being inconsequential in regard to one’s salvation?

    Do you believe that salvation through Christ alone and salvation through faith alone are two ways of saying the same thing?

    Do you believe that we must choose between grace and obedience?

    1 John 5:16 says “There is sin which is mortal.” If someone is choosing to live in “mortal” sin, wouldn’t it make sense that they might not be in a “state of grace”?

    Do you believe that God cannot equip us to merit anything, even if He wants to?

    Is there any place in Scripture where it says that we are saved by “faith alone”?

    Do you believe that if someone has confidence in their salvation then there is no possible way they’re not saved?

    Do you believe that if someone believes they are absolved and justified, then there’s no possible way that they are not absolved and justified? Can someone be saved by confidence alone?

    Do you believe that someone who believes they are saved cannot sin, or that God would force people to remain in His grace against their will?

    Do you believe that good works make no actual difference? If so, why bother doing good works?

    Do you believe that sin can enter heaven (contrary to Rev. 21:27), or that we the living can say we are without sin (contrary to 1 John 1:8), OR… would you say that those who are heaven-bound will be purged of any remaining sin after death?

    -Ben

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  4. Do you see disobedience as being inconsequential in regard to one’s salvation?

    EVERY CHRISTIAN CONTINUES TO SIN AFTER THEY HAVE ACCEPTED CHRIST. I John 1:8-10.

    Do you believe that salvation through Christ alone and salvation through faith alone are two ways of saying the same thing?

    SALVATION IS BY GOD’S GRACE THROUGH FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST. Ephesian 2:8-9.

    Do you believe that we must choose between grace and obedience?

    SALVATION IS BY GOD’S GRACE THROUGH FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST. Ephesian 2:8-9. WHO WENT HOME JUSTIFIED, THE PERSON WHO ADMITTED HE WAS ABSOLUTELY WITHOUT ANY MERIT OF HIS OWN BEFORE A HOLY GOD OR THE RELIGIOUS PERSON WHO WAS “OBEDIENT?” Luke 18:9-14

    To be continued…

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    1. sdcharg,

      Thanks for your answers. Unfortunately, quoting Scripture does not necessarily bring clarity here, because it is not Scripture that is in question… it is your theology.

      Nonetheless, I’m glad that you separated your answers a bit, because I think it might be beneficial to go through them to some extent together.

      My first question was “Do you see disobedience as being inconsequential in regard to one’s salvation?” To which you answered that people sin after they’ve accepted Christ. I’m glad you acknowledge that, but it’s not an answer to my question. I’ll ask it a different way:

      Acknowledging that people sin, can they sin as much as they want after they’ve “accepted Christ” with no potential danger to their salvation? The reason I ask is because you appear to be giving Catholics a hard time because they believe sin is dangerous.

      I totally agree with Ephesians 2:8-9. However, quoting it does not answer my question. The reason I asked my question is because although I believe in salvation through Christ alone, I do NOT believe in salvation by faith alone. I get the impression that to you the word “Christ” and the word “faith” can be used interchangeably. I’m also getting the impression that you believe the words “grace” and “faith” can be used interchangeably. I disagree.

      Lastly for this section, I asked if you believe we must choose between grace and obedience. Please carefully read the question and give it another try. It can be a yes or no answer. And by the way, the CapsLock isn’t really necessary. The reason I asked the question is because Catholics basically believe that God’s grace equips us to obey Him, whereas your belief seems to be that if we are obeying Him we are somehow doing it in defiance of grace. There is no conflict between grace and obedience, but you seem to see one.

      Try not to just give Scripture as an answer, because my questions are intended to get you to explain your theology. If you simply try to use Scripture as an answer you’re likely not answering the question, which is ultimately a waste of time. I’m fairly familiar with Scripture myself, so please don’t just operate off of the fundamentalist script here. I’m actually trying to figure out what your theology is and help you think it through.

      -Ben

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  5. 1 John 5:16 says “There is sin which is mortal.” If someone is choosing to live in “mortal” sin, wouldn’t it make sense that they might not be in a “state of grace”?

    EVANGELICALS WOULD ANSWER THAT GOD COULD TAKE A BELIEVER FROM THIS WORLD FOR AN UNREPENTED SIN.

    Do you believe that God cannot equip us to merit anything, even if He wants to?

    “And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.” – Romans 11:6

    Is there any place in Scripture where it says that we are saved by “faith alone”?

    Rom. 3:28-30, “For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one.”
    Rom. 4:5, “But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness.”
    Rom. 5:1, “therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.”
    Rom. 9:30, “What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, even the righteousness which is by faith.”
    Rom. 10:4, “For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.”
    Rom. 11:6, “But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.”
    Gal. 2:16, “nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified.”
    Gal. 2:21, “I do not nullify the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly.”
    Gal. 3:5-6, “Does He then, who provides you with the Spirit and works miracles among you, do it by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? Even so Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness.”
    Gal. 3:24, “Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, that we may be justified by faith.”
    Eph. 2:8-9, “For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God. 9Not by works, lest any man should boast.”
    Phil. 3:9, “and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith.”

    Do you believe that if someone has confidence in their salvation then there is no possible way they’re not saved?

    A CHRISTIAN’S HOPE IS COMPLETELY IN CHRIST. IF A PERSON IS CONFIDENT IN THEIR OWN MERIT – RELIGIOUS OR OTHERWISE – THEY’RE LOST.

    To be continued…

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    1. sdcharg,

      In response to my inquiry about “mortal sin” and “state of grace”, you said “EVANGELICALS WOULD ANSWER THAT GOD COULD TAKE A BELIEVER FROM THIS WORLD FOR AN UNREPENTED SIN.”

      I honestly do not understand what that means. Moving right along…

      I asked “Do you believe that God cannot equip us to merit anything, even if He wants to?” To which you replied by quoting Romans 11:6. It’s a great verse. I totally agree with it. But were you going to answer the question? The catechism paragraph (2010) that you quoted previously explained very well how the Catholic perspective of merit falls right in line with the grace of God. Do you believe that God *cannot* equip us [with the necessary grace] to merit anything?

      I asked if there is any place in Scripture where it says that we are saved by “faith alone”. Taking note of the quotation marks around the two words, as I scan through the verses you provided I see the term “faith alone” nowhere. Because it is nowhere in Scripture… well, except James 2:24.

      I asked “Do you believe that if someone has confidence in their salvation then there is no possible way they’re not saved?”

      You answered “A CHRISTIAN’S HOPE IS COMPLETELY IN CHRIST. IF A PERSON IS CONFIDENT IN THEIR OWN MERIT – RELIGIOUS OR OTHERWISE – THEY’RE LOST.”

      Although it wasn’t specifically an answer to my question, I think we’re getting somewhere here. I absolutely agree that a Christian’s hope is completely in Christ. We’re on the same page!!! Woohoo! However, the next part of your statement is where we need to be careful. If you’re essentially saying “no one can ‘work’ their way to heaven” then you and I are in agreement in standing opposed to what would basically be the heresy of palagiansim. However, if what you’re saying is “once you’ve accepted Christ, don’t worry about avoiding sin or doing good works. Just be confident that you’re saved and you’re good to go!” Well then I’m afraid we’re in disagreement there.

      -Ben

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  6. Do you believe that if someone believes they are absolved and justified, then there’s no possible way that they are not absolved and justified? Can someone be saved by confidence alone?

    IF A PERSON HAS GENUINELY PLACED THEIR FAITH IN CHRIST “THEN THERE’S NO POSSIBLE WAY THAT THEY ARE NOT ABSOLVED AND JUSTIFIED.”
    “Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand.” – John 10:25-29.

    Do you believe that someone who believes they are saved cannot sin, or that God would force people to remain in His grace against their will?

    1 John 1:5-10.

    Do you believe that good works make no actual difference? If so, why bother doing good works?

    “ For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.” – Ephesians 2:8-10

    Do you believe that sin can enter heaven (contrary to Rev. 21:27), or that we the living can say we are without sin (contrary to 1 John 1:8), OR… would you say that those who are heaven-bound will be purged of any remaining sin after death?

    CATHOLICS BELIEVE YOU CANNOT SHOW UP AT HEAVEN’S DOOR WITH ANY “MORTAL” SIN ON YOUR SOUL. CATHOLICS STRIVE (WORK, MERIT) TO BE IN A “STATE OF GRACE” WHEN THEY DIE. THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE! YOU AND I AND EVERYONE ELSE COMMITT “MORTAL” SINS ALL DAY, EVERY DAY. MY ONLY BOAST IS IN THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF MY SAVIOR. “God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.” – 2 Corinthians 5:21.

    THE UNREDEEMED – RELIGIOUS AND NON-RELIGIOUS – APPROACH GOD BY WAY OF THEIR OWN MERIT (GENESIS 4:4-5). BUT GOD SENT HIS SON, THE SINLESS SAVIOR, AS THE ONLY ACCEPTABLE WAY TO HIM.

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    1. sdcharg,

      You said, “IF A PERSON HAS GENUINELY PLACED THEIR FAITH IN CHRIST ‘THEN THERE’S NO POSSIBLE WAY THAT THEY ARE NOT ABSOLVED AND JUSTIFIED.'”

      This might just be a point where we disagree. I’m not saying anyone is definitely not absolved and justified, but I also would not say that mere confidence in salvation is enough to prove salvation. I have to agree (of course) with the Council of Trent rather than with the various Protestant opinions on the subject.

      I asked “Do you believe that someone who believes they are saved cannot sin, or that God would force people to remain in His grace against their will?”

      You responded by referring to 1 John 1:5-10, which I agree with wholeheartedly. So then you must be at least in partial agreement with the Council of Trent. That’s promising. Also, it seems that you might recognize that God would not force someone to remain in His grace.

      I asked “Do you believe that good works make no actual difference? If so, why bother doing good works?”
      You responded by quoting Ephesians 2:8-10 which in-part states that we were created to do good works. So you probably somewhat recognize the importance of good works, which is a step in the right direction.

      My last question was a very important one, and one that should be read very carefully:

      “Do you believe that sin can enter heaven (contrary to Rev. 21:27), or that we the living can say we are without sin (contrary to 1 John 1:8), OR… would you say that those who are heaven-bound will be purged of any remaining sin after death?”

      You did not even come CLOSE to answering the question.

      But I still found what you said to be interesting and worthy of comment…

      You said “YOU AND I AND EVERYONE ELSE COMMITT “MORTAL” SINS ALL DAY, EVERY DAY.”

      Whoa.

      If you are committing mortal sins every day, then I can see why you might advocate a theological position that says sin doesn’t matter.

      As a Catholic Christian, I rejoice in my Lord Jesus that I have been given the grace I need to avoid mortal sins, and I am thankful that if I succumb to temptation then God has provided the Sacrament of Reconciliation in confession and God would mercifully receive me like the father of the prodigal son did in the parable. He would receive you too. As a baptized and confirmed Catholic, you could go to confession today. Please, come home.

      Even though I can go to confession, I have all the motivation in the world to avoid sin, and in avoiding it, I’m truly free. And I cannot boast. It’s God’s grace working in me.

      I’m so thankful that Jesus died for my sins, because I could not hope to reach heaven apart from Him. 2 Corinthians 5:21 is indeed a great verse: “For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.”

      -Ben

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  7. “As a Catholic Christian, I rejoice in my Lord Jesus that I have been given the grace I need to avoid mortal sins.”

    Ben, you give lip service to “grace” as all Catholics are taught to do but ultimately your salvation rests on your own efforts. There are other Catholics who are also recipients of “grace” to avoid sin but many flagrantly do not do their part (cooperation/obedience/merit). Your sin may not be publicly flagrant but it is sin nonetheless. Consequently, it all boils down to merited salvation for all Catholics.

    I have no plea other than my Savior, Jesus Christ (Luke 18:9-14). Your rejoicing includes God’s “grace” but you also acknowledge that part of your justification is doing your part to “cooperate” with grace, as many Catholics certainly do not do. So your plea is Jesus Christ AND your own efforts. I’ve heard many casual Catholics say, Hey, I’m good to go because I haven’t killed anyone or cheated on my wife. Yet Christ leaves absolutely no room for self-justification. Matthew 5:21-22, 27-30. Anyone who claims they can altogether avoid sin opposes God’s Word. John:8, Mark 10:18

    “As a baptized and confirmed Catholic, you could go to confession today. Please, come home.’

    The notion of returning to religious system which teaches we must earn our way into God’s family is absolutely repugnant to my redeemed soul. Thank God for His free gift of grace through faith in Jesus Christ ALONE. I am in Christ only because of what He has done. Since your justification is ultimately based on your own merits you really can’t “rejoice” about anything, can you? You must hope you’re able to keep your slate absolutely clean right up until your very last day. Your religion is your idol. Ask the Lord to remove the veil from your eyes so you can see yourself as a sinner without any merit of your own.

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